The jobs I have seen lately are either low paying or very highly demanding in the qualifications required. What good is having a choice between working in a restaurant or being a multi-certified Microsoft / Cisco / Sun / Tivoli / Veritas professional, if one pays to little to live on and the other is a "dream professional"? (multi-certified, multi-disciplined & experienced)
My current (and new) job is not going to pay enough to cover my basic household expenses! Its better than nothing for the time being but if I don't find something with more potential soon, my family will be no better off than the hurricane Katrina refugees!
I have skill, creativity, imagination and drive to offer. I am relatively young (39), have good work ethics (will not sit idle even if not assigned a task) and believe in delivering a good days work for a good days pay.
Can I get a job helping build bridges in Indonesia? Houses in Thailand? Hooking up computer networks in central London, or distributing relief supplies in central Africa? Does anyone have any ideas?
The "Amazing Race" television show reminds me how big a place the world is, so there has to be a place for everyone to make a contribution, right?!?
Thanks very much in advance. (words of encouragement also appreciated)
My current (and new) job is not going to pay enough to cover my basic household expenses! Its better than nothing for the time being but if I don't find something with more potential soon, my family will be no better off than the hurricane Katrina refugees!
I have skill, creativity, imagination and drive to offer. I am relatively young (39), have good work ethics (will not sit idle even if not assigned a task) and believe in delivering a good days work for a good days pay.
Can I get a job helping build bridges in Indonesia? Houses in Thailand? Hooking up computer networks in central London, or distributing relief supplies in central Africa? Does anyone have any ideas?
The "Amazing Race" television show reminds me how big a place the world is, so there has to be a place for everyone to make a contribution, right?!?
Thanks very much in advance. (words of encouragement also appreciated)
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Sun, April 2, 2006 - 8:17 PMDo you want to make good money at it or are you happy to work to cover your living expenses?
Are you looking for a chnage or for a financially better position?
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Mon, April 3, 2006 - 3:06 PMMy boyfriend and I are moving oversea's because the US is changing so quickly, and in a direction that is disconcerting to say the least....I could get in to a whole rant on the topic but, that thread could go in a variety of different directions. So, suffice it to say the US is changing right under our noses...more expensive, more populated, more conservative, the rich getting richer the poor are getting poorer...etc, etc, etc...
Moving oversea's is no small undertaking. Especially with kids. You have to ask yourself the right questions such as: what do you need vs what you want? What's realistic vs. fantasy? The big question...what are you willing to sacrifice? There-in your answer lies. There are places in the country that are still doable, but you may not want to live there? There are so many ways to look at this dilema. But, if you are serious about moving overseas and uprooting your family there are many things to consider besides the ability to make a living. It's a major transition...I know as I have done it once and that was to an English speaking country.
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Wed, April 5, 2006 - 3:13 AMI am willing to consider any offer from any company or government agency that will help me get back on a solid financial footing. So I guess that mean covering living expenses and making a little above that. I am not concerned about language barriers per se, because I am patient and willing to meet someone halfway if that is good enough. Lord knows everyone that comes to work here in the U.S. does not speak perfect English.
My family, consisting of the wife and I and a couple of pets, would probably go as long as the new location did not require wearing body armor fulltime. I know she is interested in England (U.K.), Egypt and Austrailia, and all of those would be fine with me also. I addition, if a company would have me (have need of me), I would consider Japan, China or Malayasia (maybe for a technology related job like helpdesk lead). I also have a technical background including avionics (aircraft electronics) and telecommunications (modem, ADSL and wireless), so it is not like I am a complete idiot or something. At the same time I know there are plenty of well educated graduates of various countries I am in direct competition with who would not have to relocate. I just refuse to believe my current predicament is "all there is" or "the end of the story" of my life.
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Wed, April 5, 2006 - 4:35 AMWell if you are thinking of coming to Oz I would suggest you check out our new Industrial Laws which are headed right down the same track as the US....
It is tragic... Everyone (employed after March 27 this year) has to sign an AWA (Australian Work Agreement) which actually means that much of what unions have battled for over the years will slowly be undermined. In short, the current Govt want to get rid of all unions so business can get away with paying the minimum wage - currently $12.75 Au per hour. This will apparently be good for the economy?
London is one of the most expensive places to live in the world. The rents are phenomenal. I am not sure what the wages are like, so do a lot of research before you make your decision.....
France is in turmoil over working conditions and Australians have even been warned not to travel there at this time. Thailand is also in termoil with the young people protesting the current Govt and calling for their leader to stand down..... Malaysia is a great place but I think wages are very low and I know Indians living there who are having a hard time getting work. Egypt may have work but they have a very bad bus driving record - recent reports of a series of deaths.....
I have friends teaching English in both Japan and Hong Kong and doing quite well for themselves...... I even have a friend teaching English in Russia.... This might be the go?
Best wishes....
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Wed, April 5, 2006 - 10:16 AMWe are headed down to Australia in 4 months or so-for good. We are lucky as we have permanent residency visas, very, very hard to get in Australia. Basically you have to be considered a specialist in your field. Main employments that will get you residency are:
Technology, medical, and the enterainment industry. You must be bringing something into the country that will benefit Australia and Australians.
Have you tried international head hunters? Monster.com has an international site for job seekers. If you are looking to leave the US, a lot of research is involved. If you have the experience and background you stand a good chance of finding work oversea's. You may want to enlist the help of a career counselor of sorts. What shape is your resume in?References? Etc...Also, consider the level you are at in your field. Who are you competing with?
There are many ways to approach this, and if finding the job takes presidence over where the job is, then my suggestion is to start researching major companies in your area of expertise. Throw it all to the wall and see what sticks (that's my philosophy...). But, this process can take quite a bit of time, so be patient.
'Cas' is right, France although sounds romantic is in the midst of major upheavel. England is VERY expensive, Thailand is also in upheavel. As for Egypt, as an American I just wouldn't go... If you are at a level in your work where you are competing with the average person it is going to be difficult, but not impossible to find work oversea's. By the way, you should take the "language barrier" thing more seriously...meeting someone half way doesn't really apply when going to a foreign country. And what we allow people to get away with here in the states, absolutely DOES NOT apply oversea's. Don't use the US as a benchmark. That's not to say you need to learn Chinese before you go to Singapore, but a little goes a long way.
On a side note, not having kids makes this MUCH easier. However, relocating your dogs is major, but doable. We have done it twice and are about to do it again. Priority is to find a job first I'm sure...but, just thought I would give you the heads up.
Anyway, I feel for you...it's hard. Maybe go to the bookstore, see what you can find that can help you through this process.
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Wed, April 5, 2006 - 4:44 PMFrance is not on the middle of major upheavel!!!! That's the US (and maybe Australian, too)media for you once again. Sure, the students are on strike over the CPE (first job contract) but the working conditions here are awesome.
I am 24 years old, not on a first hire contract (although i could have been given my age) and I work in Paris. I make more than enough to live on (although I am not a huge spender) despite the ridiculous taxes I pay, and the strong euro is helping me pay off student loans back in the States. I get 5 weeks of paid vacation per year, full health coverage (no co-pays), free transport, restaurant vouchers, public holidays off. Oh, and I work 35 hours/week (I would be expected to work way more if I were in the US).
However, if you don't speak French or have EU citizenship, it would be a challenge to get a job here.
London salaries are very low considering the cost of living. In the North, things are more on par but it is very gloomy.
I think you should start your own business- sounds like you've got the skills. Colaborate with your wife, maybe.
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Wed, April 5, 2006 - 8:38 PMWell Margot that is bizarre that our Govt has issued travel warnings???? Altho I must say that I am often suspicious of their suggestions :D
Good for you and keep us posted on the real situation....
Cheers
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Thu, April 6, 2006 - 3:11 AMI work as an editor for a medical journal at an international health-focused NGO. It's got it's ups and downs. Working in France is pretty good though...all those things I mentioned are provided to me not because of my job but because of the law.
The people protesting over the new contract have no idea how lucky they've got it. To be honest, they get on my nerves.
As for the travel warnings, I remember during the Iraq war, the US issued travel warnings, advising their citizens not to speak English in the streets of Paris!!! Of course, there are some dangers (for example, I got accidently (minorly) tear gassed the other day because I happen to work near one of the protests). That sucked, but could happen anywhere.
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Thu, April 6, 2006 - 9:32 AMI know little about the French employment laws (obviously) but, I do know as you
stated...they do have it good! I've been more or less keeping up on the protest's in France
and I have to say I found it almost "spoiled" behavior that is going on. They do not know how
good they have it! Your right. Although as I understand it the law that is trying to be pushed through is to tip the employment scale back in to balance....sounds like the governent has it's work cut out.
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Thu, April 6, 2006 - 5:42 PMTravel warnings issued by any governements are to be taken with a grain of salt.
Travel warning issued by the US gov against going to France, who has been pissing the US gov for years, have to be taken with two grains of salt. CNN who compared the French situation to the Chinese situation a few years back ended up having to apologise.
All the good stuff that Margot describes is the result of voting "left" and people protesting in the street for better contracts over the last three generations (nearly four now). Each generation protesting "got on the nerves" of some people who thoughts that they obviously didn't know how good they had it. Though I can't say that I agree with the techniques used.... :-(
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Tue, June 12, 2007 - 6:50 PMBoils down to standard of living and taxes. Nurses from the Philippines flock to the U.S. for 10 to 20x the salary that they get in their own country which in U.S. standards is still low.
Why not check out the boom in the middle east? Just visited there and things are looking bright over there especially in the property sector which creates a lot of chain reaction. A lot of expats there and the government does not tax the expatriates salaries.
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Wed, April 5, 2006 - 9:17 PMIf you can swing it, I say GO. I would so love to get out of here at least for a while but given that I am not in a specialized field (Executive Assistant) it would be totally impossible for me. I would love to be in your position! Teaching English may be a good start, just to get your feet wet and get a feel for it. Good luck! -
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Sat, April 8, 2006 - 2:58 AMWOW! Thanks for the information everyone! Well balanced opinions on multiple countries and lots of specific details.
I think I will try Monster.com (again) but there must be more to it than simply listing a foreign (non-U.S.) country as someplace I am willing to relocate. I tried that once and got nothing special from it. I have registered with a U.K. recruiting website that sent e-mails for a brief time, but then they just stopped... Perhaps I missed one of the 'Are you still interested?' messages. I have also received e-mails that purported to offer employment in Bangalore or someplace on the sub-continent and was suspicious of them. I already live in the desert and make little enough money, what could possibly make the difference in India?
I have over 6 years of technical support helpdesk and specialized product support experience (if anyone's curious see a reply I just made in the Desktop Support tribe). So I would say I have skills, and Austrailia would be the dream of a lifetime! I don't even know that much about most of the country but I would go TOMORROW if someone would have me!
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Thu, April 13, 2006 - 5:39 AMA starting salary of $2500 in bangalore(india) can easily sustain the standard of living that a salary of $10,000-12,000 in the U.S. can (due to ridiculously low-cost-of-living)... and with ur experience it should not be difficult to get a mid-managerial job in the indian BPOs which are facing highest level of attrition rates..
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Sat, April 15, 2006 - 1:41 PMMohit, no one (at least morest people) can live in the US on $10,000 - 12,000 [no children] without some sort of gov assistance. The poverty level in most states is higher than that.
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Sat, April 15, 2006 - 6:10 PMYeah, I read that and I was confused...I still am...
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Sat, December 23, 2006 - 1:12 PMYes Rose,
Some of us live on that amount. I am the only working member of my houshold of 2, and for 2006, I will hav made just over $10,000. No food stamps, no medicade, no anything--just a garden for fresh veggies, and common sense when it comes to spending. By the way, we also took a three week vacation to southern Mexico, a road trip into a neighboring state, and a trip to my home state for a wedding. AND I'm saving money (albiet not that much!!!) -
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Fri, January 26, 2007 - 1:05 AM" ... no one (at least morest people) can live in the US on $10,000 - 12,000 [no children] without some sort of gov assistance."
PLENTY of U.S people live on $12,000 or less per year, without government assistance. It depends on how you live, what your expectations are, what you're willing to give up/do without. It's funny how skewed some people's perspective is on what a "normal" salary is in the U.S.---- I recently heard Allan Colmes going on and on about the "poor immigrants who are willing to come to this country to work jobs no one else will do, for $14 an hour". Please. In North Carolina, the $14 an hour jobs are the ones thousands of college-educated, degree'd, experienced workers are trying to get ! This isn't conjecture; I know plenty of these people, and I know the details of the positions. $14 an hour is a little over $29,000 a year. Right now, without doing any additional research, I can name at least 100 companies and organizations in or near NC's largest metropolitan areas, where Master's degree'd professionals with extensive work experience are working for $14.00 to $16.00 an hour. Just a couple of years ago, Duke University (!) was paying PhD teaching assistants $29,000 a year. A good friend's husband (PhD) was making that here, and he often spoke of his colleagues making similar salaries; he left NC for a plum job in Canada, with a starting salary of $165,000. He was 30 years old, with little work experience (having spent most of his adult life in academia).
I personally know hundreds of people with Master's degrees and 10, 15, 20, 25 years work experience who're stuck at the $30,000-$40,000 level...many in management, responsible for whole programs and a sizeable staff. Without the possibility of overtime or bonuses, mind you (non-profits and educational institutions generally don't pay either). Here, in the southeast (and it's far worse elsewhere, I'm guessing) much of that depends on what color you are, of course----- you will probably have to have more education, more experience to get hired, and you'll make less, if you happen to be white. If you're a white *male*, forget it. Just go be a plumber, truck driver, bricklayer, sell insurance, something out of the public eye. It's totally Politically Incorrect for companies to hire a white male, particularly for supervisory or high-visibility positions. If you're asian or hispanic, here in NC, you might luck up and get one of the few "token" spots reserved for "other" colors of folks, but you'll probably end up behind the black guy and pretty much "tied for third place" with a white female. Now if you're a black female, you don't need to leave the U.S to make 60 grand with two years of college, or 40 grand with a high school diploma--- just come to North Carolina. If you get your resumes out this weekend, you should be getting your orientation tour and signing I-9's here by mid-February. Sometimes in the interest of changing things for the better, the pendulum swings way too far in the other direction..... .
My acquaintances who've recently worked in the Middle East tell me that it's incredibly easy to land a job there, working for any civilian contractor. Iraq and Kuwait are usually mentioned, with Afghanistan often being mentioned as "too dangerous right now". When I've asked for specifics about what I might do, which fields to check into etc , every single person I've talked to has said "anything!", explaining that there are plenty of generic "clerk" and management jobs. Across the board, the figures I've heard for a smart, versatile person with even a few years of college (no degree or highly specialized skills required) are $80,000 to $150,000 a year. No language other than English required (though of course additional language skills would help). When I expressed mild skepticism to one person who told me how very easy it is to make 100 grand "for nothing, except being willing to risk living there", he told me a story of "a guy who does nothing but stand around the Gold's Gym and hand out towels, for $65,000 a year". I'd still be skeptical, except that I hear the same figures so often--- I'm told that it's pretty hard to show up and NOT make at least 80 grand a year. Check out the dreaded Halliburton, and Raytheon on monster.com etc.
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Sun, April 16, 2006 - 6:43 AMBangalore is a fairly expensive place to live compared to a lot of India, no? And are you talking about monthly salary or annual? $2,500? $10,000 sound very high for a monthly salary in Bangalore?USA, respectively, yet quite low for annual salary.
And I somehow doubt it would be easy for him to get a visa to work in India, considering there are so many qualified Indian people who could do the same job. Usually, to get a visa you need to have a skill that local people do not have. Considering Bangalore is like the IT capital of the world, I think he would have too much competition.
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Mon, April 17, 2006 - 6:59 PMI have to answer about the tear gas in Paris sorry...I am french native, originally from paris now living in san francisco. I was tear gased also few month ago because i had no idea there was a demonstration and the police had gased the street where i was at on my way to the federal building. Yes There is a revolution in Paris but there is somewhat plenty of demonstrations, in NYC, Sfo etc...so the us should issue a warning about travelling within the US>>>Used to be a travel agent and most warning are not totally realistic unless you want to go to a disaster area or fly to Iraq via parachute etc...
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Sat, April 22, 2006 - 12:31 AMI guess anyone willing to live and work abroad should expect things to be very different. That is no problem for me because I have been fortunate enough to travel overseas and experience a little bit of life in a country other than the U.S.
Bangalore would be fine for me. I could adjust to not having some of the things I have grown accustomed to here in the U.S., if that were in fact necessary. In some cases living without the complexities of modern life in the U.S. could reduce a person's stress, improve their health, and make them happier than ever - I suspect.
$10 - $12,000 for an annual income? Yes, that is quite low. I am pleased to see it was mentioned here because I think it is relevant and important. Speaking as someone who has gone from making over $51,000 per year 4 years ago, to making $24,000 a year now, I can certainly appreciate the sense of perspective people MIGHT have relative to their income. It is far to easy to "live beyond your means" and then complicate your life after a brief flirtation with this type of living. What do I mean? Buy an expensive car, rent a nice house and build up some credit debt and then try living on one-half of your previous income. It should not be so easy to do (achieve) because it is way to easy to go back down. This is one of the reasons I am interested in the possibility of relocating to a country with a more level playing field; one where there are far fewer "rich people" and generally everyone takes more pride in their WORK not their PAY. The U.S. appears to have lost sight of that, in my opinion.
I doubt it would be easy for me to get a VISA also. I have talent in the form of imagination and creativity, and motivation in the form of "drive" and a seemingly never-ending thirst for knowledge, but I guess you can say that about MOST OF the world's population. So what do I have to offer that is special? What does anyone have to offer that is special? So special that it needs to be "imported" from abroad... It is hard enough to convince someone right here in my current hometown that I am special and worthy of a higher position and better pay.
I guess the desire to learn more about the PEOPLE of other countries is a greater part of my interest in Jobs Overseas. I am just thankful that I may have another 30 or more years to find out why I am curious about them and get to go again and experience life abroad.
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Sat, April 22, 2006 - 11:45 AMHey Dennis-just wondering if you have explored the rest of the states for work opportunities? I'm guessing you
have, but thought I'd ask. And I agree with you in that the people in the states "genrally" speaking are more
concerned about money rather than taking pride in their work....
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Wed, June 14, 2006 - 7:52 PMAs a working adult I have resided in Ohio, Virginia, Arizona, Virginia, Delaware, Virginia, Nevada and Virginia. I have also briefly visited the Phoenix, San Diego and Los Angeles areas for purposes of exploring job opportunities.
I have just returned to Virginia Beach, Virginia within the past two weeks, updated my online resume in several databases and provided it to 3 to 5 employers via direct e-mail. I have also interviewed at on Resort that is NOT in my professional experience career-field but happens to be a "I would love to wrok there" (dream job) location; if only it wasn't a 56 miles drive each way or the price of gasoline would come down ) $0.30 or more!!
As a back-up plan I have handed in a resume at the ONLY local cyber cafe in the Virginia Beach area (yes, can you believe it?) for a part-time job that starts at $8 dollars an hour.
Samantha, thanks for your reply! I am ready, willing and able to travel wherever the work is available. I work loyally and with dedication, and I am the kind of person that won't "duck out" where there is work to be done or purposely slow things down for my own benefit.
There was a Samantha in our family once and perhaps her spirit visited you and "helped" you write a reply I would see. Thanks! (its encouraging just to know people are reading these sometimes...) -
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Wed, June 14, 2006 - 9:28 PMDid you leave Las Vegas for good?
It's a truly humbling experience applying for a job that pays probably what
you made in high school...but, I believe those experiences hold value.
Even though it's not always obvious in the begining what that lesson may be.
Hang in and you will persevere.
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Sun, June 10, 2007 - 5:06 PM"$10 - $12,000 for an annual income"
considering it costs 7 cents for a 7-up or coke and 50 cents for a taxi ride, that is okay in india
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Sat, December 2, 2006 - 12:37 PMWell I'm really going to try and NNNNNot go there. If you are interested and are quick there is whats called ESL Program I belive thats the acronym it is living and working in countries (China and Japan come to mind first) Where they want you to teach the local and or employees english. What the monitary exchange for sevices is I no not. What has happened is globalization (Outsourcing for the bottom line) trying to bring our economy down while bringing the rest of the world up. Which one do you think will happen faster. The middle class is being squeezed out. Yes more education less pay... Example in Russia a well educated Phd doesn't get there till in mid forties early 50's because of educational requirements... So all of those able now to come do. It is like the Postman who has a Masters but can't get a job in his field because they want someone with experience "or" a Phd!
In my new field I have a great deal of training and a smatering of experience and 32 yrs in the related industry. But as Long as I don't have one lisence (which the test is designed for you not to pass they tell you this up front) I've taken it 3 times 80% of those taking fail, I'm one.
I can't get a decent paying job. In my old field I in 1982 made 15.50 plus benifits. I now find I'm luck to get 18 with benifits so whats that a 0.10 cent raise a year. Yet my industry and related industries with all my education won't even consider Internship (less I want to move to the East Coast) Sorry not about to happen I draw the line at Texas. But this is just a small section of what is happening... Companies poorly run influencing the entire market... I'v been through 5 closings do to bad management. They have all tried to make it out that if was employee related expenses. And it was being human and needing to go to the bath room or getting sick or somehow not being able to work 24/7. They all used the shut downs to offset profits after pumping lots of money into the businesses.
Later investigations proved malfesance embelzelments, top heavy management and no significant reasons for the closeures as the basics of thses businesses were found to be viable to other concerns. Pointed example Peterbuilt Truck, Bean counters convinced the Co directors a plant built in Denton Texas could out produce trucks built in Ca and would be cheaper labor wise etc. While the plant in Fremeont designed to build 16 trucks a day with 1880 workers was reduced and making 26 trucks a day with 868 workers and ran around the clock. Also the bean counters and there minions said the truck market is going to boom (Not). They spent untold millions on the largest truck facility in the country at the time designed to build 32 trucks a day. And it couldn't after 3 yrs it was up to 12 trucks a day and had to turn off its aircondition in the summer because the bill for 6mo. exceded the profits of the entire year. So how clever was that. They didn't fire these idiots they closed our plant illegaly and were sued and lost. They gave them laterals or found them cushier jobs... The culpability of corporations is beyond measure but put on a white collar and get in the club and your likely ...to get on a bit better... Admitedly things have gotten bad for poor white collar... But it's been a long time coming this is just one area... Ok I'm done sorry U all right didn't mean to run you over... -
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Fri, December 22, 2006 - 2:49 PMSpeaking of globalization, it seems that positions that require some one hands on are less likely to be outsourced. That means service workers (generally low paid) or the trades or upper echelon consultants. Secretaries/admins/customer service jobs are a thing of past.
As a teacher, I wonder how this will manifest itself. There will always be a need for public school teachers but I wonder how much longer that will be until it is outsourced. I see that tutoring (online) is now being outsourced to India.
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If you're a white *male*, forget it. Just go be a plumber, truck driver, bricklayer, sell insurance, something out of the public eye. It's totally Politically Incorrect for companies to hire a white male, particularly for supervisory or high-visibility positions
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I can attest to this. I was told so directly by a temp agency HR person when I was fresh out of college looking for work. Here's how playing-the-game worked for me: graduate cum-laude, state-scholar from high school, graduate from a prestigious liberal arts college, put on a nice suit, ace the typing and software tests, humbly ask for a entry-level office job, and get kicked out on your ass because "you don't look like a secretary." :-( Next stop, minimum wage plus tips (part-time) at a pizza place.
My solution was to go to Japan and teach ESL. I made about $30,000 a year and was there for 2 years. That was the best job I've ever had (I'm 28.) Most of my co-workers were Australians fresh out of college. Lovely people in general. Oz is one of the world's most civilized, sensible, wonderful, humane, democtratic countries, as far as I could tell. What was shocking to me was their utter lack of general angst about having a job, having a decent wage, looking forward to a fulfilling career, etc. Being in Japan was a lifesaver for me, but just a lark for them. The only thing they worry about is where to take their next surfing trip. Wheras all my American friends are bitter, angry, burnt-out, starving, neurotic wrecks up to their eyeballs in debt, fighting tooth and nail for a $10/hr. job and theorizing about armageddon.
Now I'm back in the states, in college again, enjoying the comforts of home and studying what I love, but also unemployed and living on loans again. College is nice, but now I'm thinking that it's not worth it. I'm not kidding myself that more education and education-debt are ever going to lead to material success (by which I mean being able to pay the rent) in this country. Any way you slice it, life is just better abroad. I'm intrigued by the above posts on the Middle East and India. Any further suggestions for these locations would be appreciated.
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WHY?
Sun, June 10, 2007 - 11:26 AMWe Need a revolution! For no longer we kings and queens have to suffer. If you need money, sit under a tree sing and pray.and ask for what you need! cuz all we got is love don't let the system control the mind. -
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Re: WHY?
Wed, August 29, 2007 - 6:19 AMEveryone should try to define the American Dream to suit their expectations in life.
In fact, its best to start by asking yourself: Why do I expect anything at all?
Questions posed to a specific audience (yourself) may present more answers
than screaming them at an empty sky (thread).
If you want to be relevant, define YOURSELF.
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Re: What's happened to ths U.S.?
Wed, August 29, 2007 - 6:14 AMIt is cheaper living as a student and working toward a degree, than
spending years surfing the net for the Dream Job.
Borrow money and go back to college. You will enjoy the experience
and along the way to graduation you will discover more options available
to you than when you posted to this thread.
Good luck!
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Re: What's happened to ths U.S.?
Sun, September 2, 2007 - 1:56 AM"Ask not what your country can do for you...ask what you can do for your country." Albeit a firmly established police state.
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Re: What's happened to ths U.S.?
Sun, September 2, 2007 - 1:59 AMOops, sorry...my mistake! Should read...Hypocritical Christian, Republican police state.