Teaching English without a BA

topic posted Wed, February 14, 2007 - 1:35 PM by  offlineJared
I am interested in living in other countries and teaching English when I have to as a way to keep alive. I've looked at the job board at Dave's ESL Cafe and noticed that quite a few of the positions posted require a bachelors degree on top of the certification. So obviously having a BA would help, but has anyone done it without one? I'm interested in pretty much anywhere outside of the U.S.

Thanks
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Jared
Washington
  • Re: Teaching English without a BA

    Thu, February 15, 2007 - 8:13 PM
    cross japan, taiwan and south korea off your list. they all require valid bachelor degrees.
    • Re: Teaching English without a BA

      Thu, February 15, 2007 - 11:15 PM
      A friend of mine bought a degree online and has lived in Japan now for about 10 years - teaching english :D
      • Re: Teaching English without a BA

        Sat, February 17, 2007 - 9:54 AM
        your friend is breaking the law and better hope no one in japan decides to get curious about them or they could be jailed and deported.

        to be clear, it's against the law to teach english in japan or korea without a legitimate degree, and if you get caught, the fines and jail time can be pretty unpleasant, and there is nothing the us embassy can or will do for you. the koreans take it pretty seriously, as do the japanese, when they find out a foreign worker is there illegally. it isn't pretty.

        don't be a moron.
        • Re: Teaching English without a BA

          Sat, February 17, 2007 - 5:43 PM
          I am not condoning such behaviour - I am just telling you what he did. Personally I could never bring myself to do it.

          BTW - He doesnt live in fear.
          • Re: Teaching English without a BA

            Sun, February 18, 2007 - 8:26 PM
            Most countries need you to have a BA to do TESL because their work visas require it 'skilled' workers. Not so much because the schools themselves necessarily think its *so* important. There are places in the world where its not as necessary - I think China is one. Otherwise you'll have to try tutoring under the table or something.
          • Re: Teaching English without a BA

            Wed, November 28, 2007 - 7:35 PM
            This is a very interesting thread, and I would add that it is a "shame" when someone with the desire, drive, motivation and ability to teach is deprived of the opportunity UNLESS they honestly do not have the "life experience" to pull it off. By that I might mean someone fresh out of college who is still finding their place in the world, because as an "experienced professional" I always see people that can benefit from my life experience.

            I do not have a BA. I do not have technical certifications from the "commercial sector"; just a few from the U.S. military. Anyway I would love to have the opportunity to take what I know and pass it on to teens or young adults in a [still] developing country such as China! Just the other day I was listening to an old friend's Podcast on WelchWrite.com and he encourages people to 'write about what they know' and further remarks it is not necessary to be a expert in whatever subject. Doug says, 'You only need to know this much more (holding up two fingers slightly separated) than the next guy and have a willingness to share your knowledge' in order to write a Blog (or create a Podcast) someone will find interesting or informative. So although it is true I may not be able to teach mathematics or advanced computer science to the rising generation of students in China, I could nevertheless inspire them to "invest in themselves" and be great at whatever they love!

            Lately I am on a bit of a "kick" regarding the idea of promoting life-long education or awareness that learning new material is always rewarding, and the audience I hope to reach is ANYONE that happens to read this intentionally or accidentally (ooops, there you go reading about my hopes for others); by way of a deliberate search or casual browsing.

            Those with the desire to teach should have "alternative paths of entry" into what I'm sure must be a rewarding career. Look at the number of people turning up in the news as socially deviant or criminal who ARE AMONG OUR CHILDREN'S TEACHERS. No offense intended, but that says to me there are gaps in the present system for producing and evaluating teachers. An alternative path would be to allow "Apprentice Teachers" with probationary and evaluation periods (or cycles) where they can perform in the field of instruction and advance to fully qualified status. It seems that would be a thoughtful way to capitalize upon someones inherent desire to teach and ALSO produce the best future teachers based upon today's best-in-class examples.

            If there is anyone out there with connections in technical circles in need of a traveling instructor, I may be available.

            Related articles:
            See the USTREAM.tv video below the November 3rd, 2007 entry titled, "LIVE from PodCamp AZ" at "Careers in Podcasting and New Media..." here on welchwrite.com/cip/
      • Re: Teaching English without a BA

        Wed, August 29, 2007 - 6:32 AM
        Lots of bleu-noses in the US do the same thing.
        Suprise! Your nurse pracitioner may be a former
        hospital janitress!

        CHECK out the credentials of those you depend
        upon for the most important care in your life.

        Your friend may have escaped notice for ten years
        but only so long as she can continue to carry the
        fraud. WHEN its time to cut a sacrifice loose into
        the fires of Molock, the Koreans will not blink to
        watch your friend burn for her lie.
  • Re: Teaching English without a BA

    Sun, April 15, 2007 - 12:26 PM
    It can be done. I'm doing it right now. I don't have a BA, but i do have a TESOL certificate. Frankly, none of the school I've been to ever asked to see it. Here in Tucuman, Argentina they don't have alot of native speaking teachers, so just talking without an accent can get you a job. It's true that almost all of the job on Dave's want some one with a BA, but theres alot of jobs out there. If you really want to teach, i suggest you jump in head first. Fly to the country you want to live in and search from there. I got my job by looking in the local phone book.
    good luck and happy trails
    • Re: Teaching English without a BA

      Wed, April 18, 2007 - 3:08 PM
      certainly it easily can be done in certain countries/parts of the world.

      it's difficult to do in asia, which is what i was talking about, where the pay and benefits are considerably higher than they are in south/central america, where the requirements are not as stringent.

      it's all a matter of where you want to go and what your motivations are, i suppose. i went to asia because i wanted to *go* to asia and make enough $ to pay off some debts and have plenty to spare when i came back. ymmv.
    • Re: Teaching English without a BA

      Sun, April 22, 2007 - 1:57 PM
      Thanks for the advice. It seems like that's probably the approach I'll take. I actually am more interested in South American than Asia. Money isn't driving me to teach but rather the cultural experience and prime climbing available in other countries.
      • Re: Teaching English without a BA

        Mon, April 30, 2007 - 6:43 PM
        In Mexico having a BA is desired however it´s not mandatory for all schools, some will take someone if the person is from an english speaking country and also speaks spanish fluently.

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