Teaching English Overseas

topic posted Thu, November 10, 2005 - 6:33 AM by  Kat
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I'm simply looking for comprehensive information on this. Are there web sites I should be looking at? Books? People I can talk to?

I know many programs want you to have a bachelor’s degree, and its recommended, but others say they don’t. Is there a difference in jobs/locals/whatever that you would get in these kinds of programs? Does it matter if your degree was earned through distance learning? Will they check that and reject you on that basis, or do they just want to know you were competent enough to get one? I was looking at the TEFL site, and they don’t mention needing a degree, only the certificate they give, is that certificate somehow better?

For that matter, what does it take to get overseas, aside from money and a passport? What kinds of problems can you run into getting these things? What resources can help?

If you get hired, are things like shots (for the international travel thing) and travel expenses paid by the school, or do you have to cover it yourself?

And, um, what about culture shock? I've been reading how even the heartiest traveler can be sideswiped by this, and I had a friend it drove to the brink of suicide just from the feeling of sheer isolation (she taught in China).

*L* And so on.

I know its a lot of questions, but I'd just be happy to be pointed to a few really good internet links, though talking to people who tried it would be wonderful.
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  • Re: Teaching English Overseas

    Thu, November 10, 2005 - 7:57 AM
    maybe you should first focus on where you want to go then get info on immigration to the country ? just an idea.

    In France for instance I know there are many English courses for adults ( in Paris I believe the most known is www.wallstreetinstitute.com) that need English native speakers.
    Check also Fusac (most known for its magazine, not the website) for opportunities.

    hope this helps !
  • Re: Teaching English Overseas

    Thu, November 10, 2005 - 10:55 AM
    Kat - you might want to look at this site, which is basically the journal of an American teaching English in Japan:
    outpostnine.com/editorials/teacher.html

    Very amusing, won't help so much with the practical stuff, but might give you an idea of the culture shock you might face.

    I lived overseas for 2 1/2 years, and you certainly will be hit with culture shock for some period of that. What I found was that the first couple of months were sort of a honeymoon period, and then bam I suddenly felt out of place. That passed after a few months and I started making friends and feeling, if not exactly at home, but comfortable enough.
    • Re: Teaching English Overseas

      Sat, November 12, 2005 - 10:06 AM
      You should look at the international forums on Dave's
      ESL Cafe.

      www.eslcafe.com

      It's not as hard to do as you would think. I liquified
      my assets and moved to Istanbul in January and spent
      this year teaching English to adults at a great school
      there.

      You should contact as many people as you can in the
      area you want to teach and ask them questions.
  • Re: Teaching English Overseas

    Wed, November 16, 2005 - 3:14 AM
    Yeah, I second Dave's ESL Cafe. If you are thinking of a non-Western based culture, realize that things are very, very different from most people's pre-conceptions, and it usually takes 2-3 years for that to sink in. That 2-3 year honeymoon period can be wonderful, but when a person crashes with culture shock, it tends to be big (80-90% rate of people bugging out of Taiwan when the reality hits, for those of us who end up here long term, a decade or more, its simply a matter of constantly managing culture shock, and figuring out where we can accomodate things, and where we have to be inflexible).

    Here in Taiwan, it doesn't matter if your degree is from Harvard, distance education, or printed up on an HP...the MOE doesn't care, all they want is a piece of paper.

    My personal advice (if I could go back 15 years and do it all over) would be a western culture, or at least one where you have a mild grounding in the language...otherwise you're going to spend a great deal of time learning a new language.

    Your friend in China is probably in a similar position to most of us "lifers" in Taiwan. Even if you are a member of a community, the reality is that people are divided into two groups, Chinese People and Others. The latter group rarely finds itself accepted into the former. I do NOT recommend China or Taiwan unless you are inherently fascinated by Chinese culture. Unfortunately, what most people learn about it in the past hasn't actually existed for a few centuries. Its a rather brutal culture when you get below the surface, and things like the Confucian ideal that there can not be such thing as two equals is alive and well, ALL interactions are power exchanges. The couple of other people I know who have been here 10-20 years also talk about at several points becoming despondent. Suicide attempts are common. Those of us who don't, in all honesty get to be a bit abrasive and learn to be rather independent and self-reliant (errrm, to the point that ONE of us...cough...cough....thought he could make it 65Km south during a Cat 3 typhoon...and....ahem....ended up boxed in between downed trees, getting to spend the night in a rather small hotel, lol)...
    • Re: Teaching English Overseas

      Wed, November 16, 2005 - 1:00 PM
      "If you are thinking of a non-Western based culture, realize that things are very, very different from most people's pre-conceptions, and it usually takes 2-3 years for that to sink in."

      Sorry to but in, but would a more Western based culture be harder to break into when it comes to teaching English overseas? I too would like to teach English overseas, but never traveled before and currently would not want to jump into a culture totally unfamiliar to me.
      • Re: Teaching English Overseas

        Wed, November 16, 2005 - 9:03 PM
        Hmmm, I dunno. My mom has explored Eastern Europe, but she was looking at university level. I DO remember back when I was in college (errr, about the time that the Neanderthals were dying out, and Cro-magnon migrating into Europe) that I seriously considered a teaching position tutoring on the Yucatan Peninsula in Mexico (why o why didn't I do that instead of Taiwan, I *already* spoke fluent Spanish, which has now been surplanted by Chinese, lol....rule #1, NEVER go to the place where you can actually *communicate* right off the boat, he he he....). It really depends on your degree and whatcha wanna do. In my case, I'm underqualified for universities and overqualified for teaching the cats in the dumpsters (errr, so just about right for cram school work, which is why I opened one). I know several people who either have come from Eastern Europe to Taiwan, or gone there from Taiwan. I believe all they are looking for is an actual ESL degree, but some place like Dave's ESL Cafe would probably have people who actually *know*, I'm rumor mongering on this point :-).

        As I've talked to people, there *is* culture shock in western based cultures, but its much more mild because the fundimental values structures are kinda sorta similar, with easter/western cultures, there is very little commonality.
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          Re: Teaching English Overseas

          Wed, November 16, 2005 - 11:17 PM
          If yall are looking for a way to compare various cultural aspects of Western and Eastern culture to the U.S. then check out this guy:
          Hofstede
          www.geert-hofstede.com/
          He has conducted some ground-breaking work over the course of the past 40 years. It comes in real handy in the international business and organizational developemt areas.

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